Curse

DarkerHelmet · Feb 21, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by monk54321

I honestly just can't believe this has turned into, "I'm not rank (x), and everyone who is rank (x) is supposed to oblige to me". This is getting out of hand, some people IWAYed to their rank, some spirit spam, some smiteball, but they ALL worked for it. Everyone must find their niche.

On another note, PVP is vastly more complex than PVE, there is no jump, no comparisons, being good at PVE means absolutely NOTHING in pvp. Period.

If you are rank 0, guess what, you deserve it, and every other rank for that matter. Even though IWAY has somewhat ruined that to an extent, its still the way it is, and everyone 'ranting' is just fighting a lost cause, the good will never oblige to the bad players, the rich will never oblige to the poor, this is how life is.

Sure being a pve players doesn't at all mean I'm good in pvp. On the other hand I do have a bonus over any rank0 pvp player just because I do know what the skills are doing and so on.

I agree that for the tactical use it's far more different in pvp.

The only thing that I truely hate about pvp is the fact that as a rank 0 it's near to impossible to enter a group. I wouldn't care if I was entering just a bad group and loose in the first matches, but not being able to enter any group for long periods (up to an hour) is just ruining the whole fun of playing at all.

Maybe you liked to wait for so long to achieve minor progress but for me it's killing the experience and I'm quite certain that it does so for many more.

The only thing I can think of is either throw away the whole ranking or make ranked Halls, like lower ranked halls where only r0, r1, r2 (all seperate) are allowed. R3 and beyond no need for seperate halls anymore I think. That way you so called uber guys always get ranked players and we unranked players can finally play a game without having to wait just to play

Let's say this again; I'm not playing a game where your objective is to join a team; I'm playing to fight another team and have fun.

ERMC · Feb 21, 2006, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by DarkerHelmet

Sure being a pve players doesn't at all mean I'm good in pvp. On the other hand I do have a bonus over any rank0 pvp player just because I do know what the skills are doing and so on.

I agree that for the tactical use it's far more different in pvp.

The only thing that I truely hate about pvp is the fact that as a rank 0 it's near to impossible to enter a group. I wouldn't care if I was entering just a bad group and loose in the first matches, but not being able to enter any group for long periods (up to an hour) is just ruining the whole fun of playing at all.

Maybe you liked to wait for so long to achieve minor progress but for me it's killing the experience and I'm quite certain that it does so for many more.

The only thing I can think of is either throw away the whole ranking or make ranked Halls, like lower ranked halls where only r0, r1, r2 (all seperate) are allowed. R3 and beyond no need for seperate halls anymore I think. That way you so called uber guys always get ranked players and we unranked players can finally play a game without having to wait just to play

Let's say this again; I'm not playing a game where your objective is to join a team; I'm playing to fight another team and have fun.

have you tried making your own team...

Seriously how many people that are complaining they can't get in groups don't make there own instead of whining about not getting into teams. I see people begging to get in HA groups all the time i hardly see people making unranked groups, and people will join because like you they want to get in groups.

if you don't want to do that and HA waiting is ruining your game experince then don't do HA. Find a guild that likes to help if you want pm me and i can give you a good pvp training guild.

and save the pve vs pvp monking don't see how people are comparing the two "what if someone breaks aggro" guess what no aggro in pvp your always the target that gets e drained, hexed up, and beat on and still got to maintian yourself alive and the team. AI targets first person they see PvP players look for the primary target. that is just one difference

DarkerHelmet · Feb 21, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by ERMC

have you tried making your own team...

Seriously how many people that are complaining they can't get in groups don't make there own instead of whining about not getting into teams. I see people begging to get in HA groups all the time i hardly see people making unranked groups, and people will join because like you they want to get in groups.

if you don't want to do that and HA waiting is ruining your game experince then don't do HA. Find a guild that likes to help if you want pm me and i can give you a good pvp training guild.

and save the pve vs pvp monking don't see how people are comparing the two "what if someone breaks aggro" guess what no aggro in pvp your always the target that gets e drained, hexed up, and beat on and still got to maintian yourself alive and the team. AI targets first person they see PvP players look for the primary target. that is just one difference

That's exactely what I did, I stopped entering HoH, after ranks were introduced. Your offer temts me though, and who knows I will enter HoH again with your help

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About forming my own group (r0). Although this thread is full of complaints, most low ranked guys still want to end up in high ranked groups to make some chance in ranking up fast. They, unlike me, obviously don't care about the waiting part. The result is though that it can take just as long to form a group as to enter one.

Like I said I don't care at all about the ranks idea, I'm pve wanting to play pvp because the pve part is finished and indeed is becomming too easy. But the idea that pvp is only about what rank you are and not actually about having fun, regardless of winning or loosing simply puts me down. It causes people to behave as jerks.

And when you look closely to what rank means you know that for many people it actually doesn't mean they are skilled. Someone here made a thread saying that pve is simple because you always face the same tactics, he is right. But doesn't the builds (IWAY for instance) for pvp do the same?. Sure there are those exceptions that really do have skills and can use them, but my guess is that 80% of the peeps just follow the preset builds found on the internet (just as the 55's farmers in pve) and only use them without them really having any true skills at all.

Seeing ranks like that, it becomes very hard for me to enjoy the waiting part. But like I said I will try to contact you :P.

thunderpower · Feb 21, 2006, 06:05 PM // 18:05

It has been discussed, tested, many take it as fact that 80% of the players in HA aren't skilled. At lest no matter the rank, they seem to know little about skills and/or tactics on diffrent maps.

Most teams lack a good leader... most of the self claimed "good leaders/callers" suffer the "monk first" syndrome (popular in CA and RA), leading to sudden death and swearing.

If I had the nerve I would make an r0 guild with players intrested in pvp, and train good players, debate tactics and skills to be used. It would be a far better solution than waisting time in HA begging for a place in a higher rank team (wich might be worse than an unraked one).

Guardian of the Light · Feb 21, 2006, 07:31 PM // 19:31

Interesting conversation between me and a guildie. We GvG a lot but were not ranked

.

Me: Dang I wish there was a way to get Rank in GvG
Guildie: Mybe there should be like a emote for how much faction u have.
Me: Ya in total with Redeemed faction and faction you got,
Guildie: Ya but then you could just farm faction.
Me: Can you not do that with fame?
Guildie: lol

Says everything

barca · Jul 13, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

wow lmao... please guys stop complaining about rank systems... EVERYONE WHO IS RANK had to go through the tedious task of getting FAME. So just live with it... r3 isn't easy to get to and is very hard... but when you do hit r3, it will be alot more rewarding having gone through all the work and time to get there.

Sir Green Aluminum · Jul 13, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Just say sorry I was to busy perfecting my pvp build to be farming rank during the IWAY, invinci monk, Ether renewal smite, Ele Spike, Ranger Spike, Spirit Spam, Dual Smite and etc builds I may have forgotten periods. Go play alliance battle, it's way more fun and rewarding (for both money and mentally).

Alleji · Jul 13, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

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Originally Posted by barca

wow lmao... please guys stop complaining about rank systems... EVERYONE WHO IS RANK had to go through the tedious task of getting FAME. So just live with it... r3 isn't easy to get to and is very hard... but when you do hit r3, it will be alot more rewarding having gone through all the work and time to get there.

wow lmao... please don't necro threads from february!

Taurucis · Jul 13, 2006, 08:29 PM // 20:29

It's extremely easy to tell low ranked people "Shut up and stop whining, get off your lazy butt, make a team and start winning" when you're rank 6 and can join nearly every team. The more people think that way, the rift between the ranked and unranked will widen. Just yesterday I recall seeing someone in alliance battle outpost saying "GLF 2 more, no ranked idiots please" while someone else was saying "GLF r3+ boon prot and shock/axe"

Each time I see those ranked elitists beating on some unranked newbie asking about how PvP works, I always remind myself that the ranked ones are probably just insecure. They feel that they must gain a status symbol, then rub it in a poor unfortunate's face to make themselves feel that they belong somewhere.

I think the ability to show your rank as a title wasn't very good. Gone are my days of sneaking into my friend's r3+ group

However, maybe 3 months ago, there was a blood spike team I was in. They needed a spirit spammer, so I asked the guy for the skills. He gave them to me (to my surprise) and invited me in when I came back as a spirit spammer. I think the whole team was all rank 3 or higher (Not 100% sure) but they did not seem to care that a rank 1 was with them. Unfortunately the group broke up after a few wins.

It would be wonderful if the whole HoH community had the attitude of that blood spike group, but in life, there's always going to be the meanies who love to rain on people's parades.

The Real Roy Keane · Jul 13, 2006, 08:45 PM // 20:45

Tauricus, it's been said many times before, but it's true- PvP with your guild. I'm rank six but have absolutely nothing against PvP'ing with unranked guildies - just because they don't have a shiny animal that comes out of their chest doesn't mean they can't play their roles effectively.

Kais Unduli · Jul 13, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

I've been rank3 (approx. 330 fame) since January, as I stopped doing Heroes' Ascent mainly because IWAY groups ran rampant, and I grew tired of playing the same build over and over and over. I've just recently begun doing HA again with guildmates, and am now at 350 fame. There are only 2 other rank3 people in my guild, but I've found if you go over your plans well and strategize what to do, the people in your group will learn what to do and how to play certain maps, and you will slowly begin to pick up your fame. It's not easy at first, but over time you'll get that Bambi to show off.

0mar · Jul 13, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

HA is a joke anyways, there is exactly ZERO serious PvP going on there. Don't even bother with it. GvG is where it's really at.

nohooiam · Jul 13, 2006, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by 0mar

HA is a joke anyways, there is exactly ZERO serious PvP going on there. Don't even bother with it. GvG is where it's really at.

um, not really?

GvG has its share of garbage teams too. 3000+ to be exact.

tomcruisejr · Jul 13, 2006, 09:32 PM // 21:32

if you listened to the War Machine officer who shared phonein insights bout koreans being leetsauces in gw last Weapon of Choice broadcast, you will concur with all his comments.

"dont dwell on a loss, learn from mistakes, don't bitch about things not getting perfect while in battle."

losing is natural. if you never lost, you'll never know how to win they say.

pvp with your guild and friends. if you suck, get better together. dont make a big deal out of rank (though few (or one) guild(s) even ask for guildies rank to play with them lately, like "wtfbbgomgggimustpmonlyrank10+guildiestoplayOoAiwa ywithmecozmyotherguildiesarerank2noobs" ffin bs. talk about elitism in AN iway guild.).

play with the same set of people and youll get to know them better and youll be comfortable playing with them. from there, mistakes can be taken maturely and youll start to think about ways not to make the same mistakes and not pinpoint and be a bitch to others.

this thread is ressed, which isnt bad coz it's still a problem.

Tingi · Jul 13, 2006, 10:26 PM // 22:26

I got my r3 ages solely on the fact that it's easier to get into better groups and guilds. However, when I am with my guildies (a lot of whom are r6+) we do not advertise for anyone over a certain rank. If they don't know the skills, we just give it to them and more often that not it works just fine.

However I do think rank elitism is a big problem. For example, at the start of factions, I was in a PvE group as an assassin with a certain young r12 (hint love), i think he got it before anyone else did. Anyway, he was playing a ranger and he managed to die many times. He quite obviouly knew nothing about PvE. Anyway after a few of his deaths, he emoted his rank and called of us noobs for not being ranked. I was like WTH? You're the one who died! He was also emoting in town every 2 secs lol. It's people like that who really tick me off.

Meiludor The Quick · Jul 13, 2006, 11:40 PM // 23:40

Look at it from the point of view of the team organizer-
If i'm putting together a team and i want to accomplish A, B, and C then i need to find people who will allow me the best chance at achieving A, B, and C. At one point I had to learn the ropes and climb the ladder slowly but Now I want a reliable team and the only ways I have to know this are by intelligent interviewing and asking for rank. And asking for rank is much faster than any other method of finding out how accomplished a player is. So from my point of view on a day when i want serious action and a reliable team, that's what I will need to do, but if i just want to have some fun and don't care about A, B, or C, then rank becomes irrelevant.

Point is, if you can't get into a group because of rank then just form your own. There are lot's of people there that want to get their feet wet or others that are somewhat more experienced who would not mind joining your team. But don't remove a key element of the game that allows players to know who they are recruiting! Think about it, if pve had something like this you could easily form your "MASTERS" group and conquer the mission rather than having to deal with messy players, leavers, aggro maniacs, afk'ers, etc...

Meiludor The Quick · Jul 13, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

I also don't like the idea of rank being reset, if that's true, only because it's something that was earned through hard work. Anything like that should not be removed! In fact! I am against removing anything from a game, that is always a bad move. If something is unbalanced, don't remvoe it or dumb it down! make something else more powerfull! I Can't stand it when things are removed!

Johnny Paycheck · Jul 14, 2006, 12:24 AM // 00:24

here's my problem with the rank system. every once in awhile you run into a player like me. i don't care about rank at all and just love to PvP and have been playing since the betas 15 months ago. I used to run tombs all the time and got a couple of sigils for my trouble but that was before the rank system was in place. I stopped running tombs and started to get serious about GvG's. I'd really like to get into some HA matches now but can't get into a group at HA because I don't have any rank.

I just think it's a shame that most people are so elitist about their rank. I'd love to get into an organized and skilled group and know for a fact that I could contribute to winning matches but never get the chance. Worst of all is getting called a noob by someone that's been playing for 3 months but just grinds fame all day long in IWAY groups.

just remember there are plenty of skilled PvP unranked players just like there are some terrible players with R9.

Aejorii · Jul 14, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

I remember getting to rank 3.. it took a damn long time even with my guild.

I am now rank 7 and have come a long way since then. I've learned a lot since the beginning and every one of us has earned our fame somehow. We too had tough times trying to get into groups; getting rejected for not being ranked and the like. But sure enough, there was a huge difference in myself when I was unranked to now.

I did take a few unranked newbies into tombs also and I thought I could help them a little by allowing them into the group. Turns out they couldn't play worth a damn and it felt like they just got the game. A lot of them are just "unresponsive" you talk to them on vent and they don't even reply back until you start yelling. I think it's impossible for them to learn when they themselves don't give 100% to do it.

Clinically Proven · Jul 14, 2006, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by ERMC

have you tried making your own team...

Seriously how many people that are complaining they can't get in groups don't make there own instead of whining about not getting into teams. I see people begging to get in HA groups all the time i hardly see people making unranked groups, and people will join because like you they want to get in groups.

This is what I did from about the first 20 or so fame I earnt, right through to the couple of thousand fame i'm on now.

If you start an unranked group often enough people will start to remember you and start pm'ing you when you get on each day to see if you're going to run a group.

Pretty soon you'll have a friends network, months later you'll be ranked and happy and some of those first reoccuring pm's will be the people you still play with every day.